Weihenstephaner Hefeweissbier, Duvel, Schneider & Sohn Aventinus, Unibroue La Fin du Monde, and even Bell’s Two Hearted Ale…all beers now ranked in the top 20 on Beer Advocate’s newly redesigned Top Beers on Planet Earth list. And for once, I couldn’t agree more.
For many of us who closely follow the general goings-on of the craft beer world, and wait with bated breath as brewers announce the next offering in their [insert name of rare beer series here] or host limited release parties of draught-only mega-hopped DIPA’s and waxed bombers of Russian imperial stouts, you likely fall into one of two camps when it comes to how you’ve historically viewed the Beer Advocate Top Beers list. You either 1) look at the list as holy scripture, a true reflection of the beer zietgeist that accurately ranks the top beers on the planet based solely on objective ratings by site reviewers, or 2) a list of beers that are generally considered by most to be “the best” to be had, but also a list that’s significantly contaminated and largely driven by hype and limited availability versus objective sensory evaluation.
Clearly, I’m in camp #2. And I’ve always looked at the list with a skeptical eye, questioning how beers such as Russian River’s Pliny the Younger, which I recently reviewed with a firm tongue in cheek, could be considered to be one of THE BEST in the world (I think #2 on their old list) when only a few hundred people ever had the opportunity to try it. Is it a good beer? Of course it is. But given the relatively small sample size of reviewers, can it legitimately be considered the best in the world? According to the Alstrom Brothers — the founders of Beer Advocate who recently changed the minimum number of reviews for any beer to potentially make the list from 10 to 1,000 — the answer was a firm no.
And in my opinion, here’s why: Beer Advocate has done a great deal to raise awareness for craft beer made with passion and love by the more than 1,500 craft breweries around our country, and beyond. However, over the years, the community has slowly drifted from fulfilling part of its original stated mission, which is to “wake the masses to better beer options.” In short, it went from truly advocating for craft beer, to acting more as a repository of incredibly inside reviews and discussions on ultra rare, difficult to find beers that only the most determined of beer geeks could ever hope to lay their hands on. Not necessarily what I’d call a truly representative take on how most of the country views the beer category.
So now that Westy 12 is no longer the king of the hill (for now), who are the top contenders? They are beers with critical mass behind them…offerings that a significant number of people view as the best of the best. And in creating a high bar for admission, in one fell swoop we’ve eliminated the majority (not all, of course) of the hype driving many of the old rankings.
To that end, they’ve also created a handful of new sub-lists that break out the rankings by geography, by how poorly they’ve been rated (a “bottom of the barrel” list), and even by how new a beer is to the marketplace (in other words, what beers are getting “buzz”). These newer, often highly limited beers of course have their place…but at least for now, not at the top of the beer world until more folks get on board with them, the economic principle of scarcity be damned.
I can see only good things from this change. This is a much more credible and realistic list. Regular folks who may not be exposed to the craft world may now truly have an opportunity to understand what this thing is all about, and why people like you and me get so excited when talking about the beer we tried the night before. And in looking at the current list, I couldn’t agree more with how many of the highly available beers, including many that are standard bearers of their respective styles, are positioned.
No matter what system or criteria you employ, it will never be a perfect representation. But I believe that this change in criteria was truly a move in the right direction. So now that I’ve made my case, what say you?
* Huge footnote to this post…in many ways, my commentary above was significantly negated, considering moments after publishing this, the “Bros” announced that their shift to a 1,000 review minimum to make the top list was in fact an “experiment” meant to solicit feedback on how the lists were generated. Instead of 1,000 reviews as the threshold, they’ve set the criteria at the mean number of reviews across all beers listed on the site, which currently sits at 105. Is 105 better than 10? Yes. Is it statistically more equitable than using an arbitrary number such as 1,000? Yes. But do I agree with the notion that they’ve significantly minimized the hype factor involved in their ranking system by going this route? Absolutely not. The amended list is largely unchanged, and does nothing to fulfill their stated mission of bringing greater awareness and visibility to “better beer options” for the masses.
August 10, 2010 at 8:04 am
I COMPLETELY agree with your take on what I thought was the new list and was very disappointed when I saw that it was an “experiment”.
We recently discussed a list from Zymurgy Magazine that was a very useful list of what they thought were the top 50 easily available beers.
It was great (as was what I thought was the revamped BA list) because you could give it to somebody just getting into beer as a shopping list and they could go to a good beer store and buy most beers on that list.
It served a purpose other than to let people brag that they were a beer festival where Surly released a one keg and done beer that’s now ranked #5 overall. (don’t get me wrong, I’m glad I was at a beer festival like that, I just don’t think that it should come into play on a best of list)
Oh well, I agree that 105 is much better than 10 it still makes it a useless list for those of us who want to seek out the best beers that we haven’t tried.
I’ve never had Pliny the Younger before, but knowing that a beer that can only be consumed at the brewery, 10 oz at a time (no bottles or even growlers) is supposedly the #3 beer on planet earth doesn’t do much for me.
Sorry for the long winded reply but I was pretty stoked to see the new list yesterday and very bummed to see the new-new list today.
Good to see you blogging again, cheers!
August 10, 2010 at 8:14 am
Thanks Mikey, disappointed is a great way to put it. More and more, I feel like “Beer Advocate” is a misnomer. At some point they need to stop preaching to the choir and legitimately turn their attention to bringing more non-craft drinkers into the fold. It’s a nice little club we have going here…”little” being the operative word.
Nice to be back.
August 10, 2010 at 8:31 am
I think it’s funny how people want to be “beer advocates” (both on this site and elsewhere) by showing people how elitist they are by drinking stuff that you can’t find or buy (unless you want to get into the whole trading business, which I’ve dabbled in but is a pain in the ass).
Don’t get me wrong, I love it when I get my hands on a special release or somebody is kind enough to share something with me that I can’t normally get but that’s the way I approach it – “I got lucky to try this.” I do my best to not take the “You HAVE to try this. What? You can’t? Awwww, man you missed out. Too bad for you?” approach…
My regret is that I didn’t make a copy of that “experimental” list yesterday. It would have been nice to have around.
August 10, 2010 at 8:52 am
I’ve absolutely gone far out of my way to get those rare beers (heck, my Dark Lord trip is a prime example). And it’s easy to get caught up in the trading scene. But I agree with you that the “experimental” BA list was a fantastic representation of incredibly good, and incredible easily to get, beers.
To be fair to their newly redesigned list, I’m not sure how else the Alstroms COULD have shifted the criteria without being arbitrary, they did what they had to do in my opinion and it is statistically fair. My personal opinion, however, is that the list is still very lopsided in favor of those rare beers everyone clamors over (again, our natural inclination to give favor to and desire what we can’t have). And I don’t think it’s a chicken or egg argument here…those beers aren’t on that list because they’re objectively the best from a sensory evaluation perspective. Of the current beers in the top 20, I’d say only three or four of them would be considered relatively easily obtainable by most people. The rest are highly limited release or incredibly difficult to get. Do you think the fact that the Wall Street Journal ran a feature story a couple years ago on how difficult it is to get Westy 12 had anything to do with the public’s perception of that beer?
August 10, 2010 at 9:05 am
I don’t know, I’ll let you know if I ever get my hands on a bottle of Westy 12
Until then, I’ll just feel blessed to be able to drink St Bernardus Abt 12 & Rochefort 10.
The one thing I agree with the brothers about is that no matter what they did or do, people are gonna be pissy.
But yeah, I’d say that availability & attainability have to come into play somehow.
For example, Darkness is the best beer I’ve ever tasted but let’s face it, even though I live in New Hope (3 miles from the brewery) it’s not a beer I can drink on a regular basis. Thus when I tell people what my favorite beer is, I say Furious because I can drink it every day if I want.
Oh well, luckily I have plenty of beer people to ask opinions of and get advice from so I can form my own list…
August 10, 2010 at 9:13 am
Agreed, can’t make everyone happy all the time. Nature of the beast.
August 10, 2010 at 10:43 am
I am completely in agreement with you guys on this one. I rarely even look at BA for this reason. Taste relates a lot to your frame of reference. If I happened to be on vacation to Europe and was traveling and touring trappist monastaries and happened to try Westy 12, I would imagine that it would taste unbelievable because of my mood at the time, being in a beautiful building on vacation. My sensory experience if I were to sip a beer in my basement would be completely different. There are two kinds of craft beer drinkers: Beer lovers and beer snobs. Beer snobs are no better than wine snobs.
August 10, 2010 at 11:04 am
I’m personally pleased with any tweak that inspires you to blog more!
But seriously, I’m now very please with their NEW new criteria. Shit, I’ve had 97 of the NEW new top 100 so it’s not like the list hasn’t significantly changed from before (I hovered in the 75-80 range before.)
Yes, some of these beers still aren’t super accessible but so what? It’s a worth beer goal to drink them, as I quite easily have done without even putting that much cost or work into it.
I think the best solution would be this NEW new top 100 list and then a second “readily accessible” top 100 which does have a threshold of 1000 reviews needed.
August 10, 2010 at 11:07 am
Also love the new “tops” by category as the major categories like DIPA and imperial stout now have a top 50 which means I now know of tons of great beers I’d never even heard of before. That is good advocacy in my opinion.
August 10, 2010 at 11:38 am
Ha, thanks Aaron. I couldn’t stay away forever.
I agree on the new top list, and a more easily accessible list. And their lists by style are nice.
Here’s a fun item to ponder…do we agree that the numerous beers listed as part of the BJCP style guidelines, many of which tend to be easily obtainable by definition, are widely regarded to be “the best” examples of their respective styles? Have you ever wondered how many of those beers are included in the BA top list? Well, don’t worry, I’ve already done the leg work for you…it’s 46, give or take one I may have missed. So not quite half, which really probably isn’t all that bad. However, the weightings of which styles are represented are predictably massively in favor of imperial stouts, IPAs, and various Belgians. Probably more of a commentary on what styles drive beer geeks today, versus a representative listing of “the best” styles people could try across the board.
August 13, 2010 at 9:01 pm
@amm002
I was pretty shocked by the list myself. I was VERY surprised to see that Russian River held so many spots and that Imperial Stouts held such a high ranking. It’s shocking to me because I’ve witnessed too much so far that disproves that list. Just to make it clear by the way, I love Russian River Brewery…just don’t see how it takes so many spots.
The other thing I think is of interest here and should be considered…is that this like anything else is a list based on opinions, and we all have those.
What that saying about opinions being like assholes? We all have them…
Same thing for this. I can’t knock their list because it’s based around their opinions and thoughts about certain beers and breweries. To each their own.
But yes, I find many things on that list that don’t belong even close to the top 100 beers in the world. I just hope that people around the world don’t take it far too seriously, and develop their own opinions and thoughts on the beers etc.
Thanks for the post by the way amm002!
Ilya
August 14, 2010 at 2:53 pm
This Mikey guy seems way too reasonable to be writing on beer blogs. Couldn’t agree more with your comments more man. I think the number of reviews should not be arbitrary like 1000. We can agree the old list celebrated rare/obscure beers of varying quality. If you make it 5000 reviews you may find that Boston lager is the winner. 100 and it’s Town Hall Masala Mama. How about a criteria which lists a minimum number of rankings and takes into account the rater’s deviation. For example, those that rank every beer a (I’m talking to you Amm and Vice Blogger) would be excluded! What do u think?
August 14, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Also, after searching BA noticed that lists by style are great, but what about ingredient? Our last trip to Munster Indiana solidified that I love Citra hops and Rye. Would love to see a ranking by hop or grain type.
August 14, 2010 at 4:35 pm
So based on whether someone is a huge grade inflater (ahem…) compared to the rest of the group, their ratings of a specific beer may not hold as much weight in the grand scheme of the top list ranking?
I love the ingredient idea. Tough to pull off obviously, but it’d probably be the list I’d use the most.
August 16, 2010 at 10:02 am
I’m with you in camp number 2. What a great post!