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	<title>Comments on: Fulton Beer Launches in the Twin Cities</title>
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		<title>By: mikenagell</title>
		<link>http://captainsbeerblog.com/2009/10/28/fulton-beer-launches-in-the-twin-cities/#comment-2872</link>
		<dc:creator>mikenagell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 04:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is real beer.

Worthy Adversary will kick your ass. Tell those Johnnies that I&#039;m way glad Lent is almost over!!!</description>
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<p>Worthy Adversary will kick your ass. Tell those Johnnies that I&#8217;m way glad Lent is almost over!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Tyranena Hop Whore &#171; Friday Night Beer</title>
		<link>http://captainsbeerblog.com/2009/10/28/fulton-beer-launches-in-the-twin-cities/#comment-2217</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyranena Hop Whore &#171; Friday Night Beer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] their grand opening tasting at the Happy Gnome, you can read more about this new brewery on the Captain&#8217;s site. So there you have it, i figure I still have room for about 5 more depending on size so I want to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] their grand opening tasting at the Happy Gnome, you can read more about this new brewery on the Captain&#8217;s site. So there you have it, i figure I still have room for about 5 more depending on size so I want to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: amm002</title>
		<link>http://captainsbeerblog.com/2009/10/28/fulton-beer-launches-in-the-twin-cities/#comment-2215</link>
		<dc:creator>amm002</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to hear Jasper, now I&#039;m really excited!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to hear Jasper, now I&#8217;m really excited!</p>
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		<title>By: Jasper Nelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jasper Nelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Went to the Fulton launch party last night. The beer was very, very good! Too bad it was a Wednesday night because it could have easily turned into an all nighter. Excellent beer boys!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Went to the Fulton launch party last night. The beer was very, very good! Too bad it was a Wednesday night because it could have easily turned into an all nighter. Excellent beer boys!</p>
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		<title>By: David Berg</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One last thought, and then I&#039;ll shut up...When people ask me about brewing, I always tell them this:  it takes more than brewing good beer to make you a brewer.  Look at it this way: in a pub setting, maybe 20% of your time is spent actually brewing (depending of course, how busy you are).  1 day a week.  Same goes for a small production brewery (unless you buy really small equipment).  You get to be an old guy like me, and you&#039;re lucky if you know where the brewhouse is!

Best of luck to the Fulton guys.  It&#039;s nice to see younger people with an interest in beer.  As I&#039;ve been known to say on a couple of occasions, brewing is the best job in the world that sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last thought, and then I&#8217;ll shut up&#8230;When people ask me about brewing, I always tell them this:  it takes more than brewing good beer to make you a brewer.  Look at it this way: in a pub setting, maybe 20% of your time is spent actually brewing (depending of course, how busy you are).  1 day a week.  Same goes for a small production brewery (unless you buy really small equipment).  You get to be an old guy like me, and you&#8217;re lucky if you know where the brewhouse is!</p>
<p>Best of luck to the Fulton guys.  It&#8217;s nice to see younger people with an interest in beer.  As I&#8217;ve been known to say on a couple of occasions, brewing is the best job in the world that sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: David Berg</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice answers all.  I think sometime the skill of a brewer outside of developing a recipe (which, IMO is quite easy) is underestimated.

One comment to Frank:  I don&#039;t pretend to know how Sand Creek runs, but what they are doing is contract brewing.  Maybe the Fulton guys are way brighter than I am, but it would be a struggle for me to walk into someone&#039;s brewery and make a beer in a reasonable amount of time, and I&#039;ve been doing this for 12 years and worked on numerous systems.  It just doesn&#039;t work that way.  You may be part of the process, but you are not an integral part at the beginning.  And, lest anyone misunderstand, I certainly  am not trying to take anything away from what the Fulton folk are doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice answers all.  I think sometime the skill of a brewer outside of developing a recipe (which, IMO is quite easy) is underestimated.</p>
<p>One comment to Frank:  I don&#8217;t pretend to know how Sand Creek runs, but what they are doing is contract brewing.  Maybe the Fulton guys are way brighter than I am, but it would be a struggle for me to walk into someone&#8217;s brewery and make a beer in a reasonable amount of time, and I&#8217;ve been doing this for 12 years and worked on numerous systems.  It just doesn&#8217;t work that way.  You may be part of the process, but you are not an integral part at the beginning.  And, lest anyone misunderstand, I certainly  am not trying to take anything away from what the Fulton folk are doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is exactly how brewers develop &quot;house&quot; strains. It&#039;s all due to the system. Even great brewers with a different system can produce very different beers from the same recipe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is exactly how brewers develop &#8220;house&#8221; strains. It&#8217;s all due to the system. Even great brewers with a different system can produce very different beers from the same recipe.</p>
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		<title>By: amm002</title>
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		<dc:creator>amm002</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, interesting question Dave. 

I spoke with a craft brewer at GABF who told me when they purchased new larger volume brewhouse equipment it took them nearly 70 batches to perfect the original flavor profile of their flagship beer customers knew and loved. Granted, I&#039;m sure the first beer they made using the new system wasn&#039;t far off, but the brewers themselves weren&#039;t satisfied with it. Based on that, I&#039;d say system means a great deal in the grand scheme of things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, interesting question Dave. </p>
<p>I spoke with a craft brewer at GABF who told me when they purchased new larger volume brewhouse equipment it took them nearly 70 batches to perfect the original flavor profile of their flagship beer customers knew and loved. Granted, I&#8217;m sure the first beer they made using the new system wasn&#8217;t far off, but the brewers themselves weren&#8217;t satisfied with it. Based on that, I&#8217;d say system means a great deal in the grand scheme of things.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish we could have 2 different terms, because &quot;contract&quot; brewing isn&#039;t really what brewers who go to Sand Creek and brew themselves are doing. Contract brewing is Finnegans having Summit make their beer for them.  I realize that &quot;you gotta do what you gotta do&quot;, but...

I didn&#039;t realize until I went to Great Taste of the Midwest, that they only invite brewers with on-premise equipment.  One friend told me that he&#039;ll get invited when they have a &quot;dirty little contract whore&quot; tent.  It&#039;s too bad cause there&#039;s alot of good stuff being made at Sand Creek.  The list of guys who brew there is longer than you would think.  Some guys have a vision of what they want and they are patient enough to make it happen.  There&#039;s no shame in using someone else&#039;s place starting out.  Establishing label recognition (read: fans)is huge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish we could have 2 different terms, because &#8220;contract&#8221; brewing isn&#8217;t really what brewers who go to Sand Creek and brew themselves are doing. Contract brewing is Finnegans having Summit make their beer for them.  I realize that &#8220;you gotta do what you gotta do&#8221;, but&#8230;</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t realize until I went to Great Taste of the Midwest, that they only invite brewers with on-premise equipment.  One friend told me that he&#8217;ll get invited when they have a &#8220;dirty little contract whore&#8221; tent.  It&#8217;s too bad cause there&#8217;s alot of good stuff being made at Sand Creek.  The list of guys who brew there is longer than you would think.  Some guys have a vision of what they want and they are patient enough to make it happen.  There&#8217;s no shame in using someone else&#8217;s place starting out.  Establishing label recognition (read: fans)is huge.</p>
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		<title>By: ForbiddenDonut</title>
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		<dc:creator>ForbiddenDonut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point.

I would consider myself an average homebrewer, so in no way is my opinion backed up with any professional experience or expertise.  It would seem to me that both recipe and process are vital to a good product.  Also, process and recipe are developed together.  Just because I have someone&#039;s recipe, it doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;m going to brew their beer...there are far too many variables.  You can even argue that brewing system and process are two different things, which also affect each other.  So if you move from contract brewing in someone&#039;s facility to brewing on your own equipment, there will be a lot of adjustments to recipe and process.

Ultimately, I would say that process is more important.  Anyone with a great recipe, ingredients and equipment can still make miserable beer; and a great brewer won&#039;t suffer bad recipes and trash ingredients (it takes a lot of restraint here to not cheap shot a couple big breweries).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point.</p>
<p>I would consider myself an average homebrewer, so in no way is my opinion backed up with any professional experience or expertise.  It would seem to me that both recipe and process are vital to a good product.  Also, process and recipe are developed together.  Just because I have someone&#8217;s recipe, it doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;m going to brew their beer&#8230;there are far too many variables.  You can even argue that brewing system and process are two different things, which also affect each other.  So if you move from contract brewing in someone&#8217;s facility to brewing on your own equipment, there will be a lot of adjustments to recipe and process.</p>
<p>Ultimately, I would say that process is more important.  Anyone with a great recipe, ingredients and equipment can still make miserable beer; and a great brewer won&#8217;t suffer bad recipes and trash ingredients (it takes a lot of restraint here to not cheap shot a couple big breweries).</p>
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